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Aug 9, 2017 2:45:31 GMT @starky said:

And damnit. I got like six plot bunnies bouncing in my head and its all sad and twisted and more like Bloodlines.

And suddenly I feel like a grizzled, tired old veteran who wants nothing more than to buy a good, stiff drink for fresh-faced new recruit who just survived her first battle, and tallied her first messy kills.

I learned from you Starky! I learned from you!

;_;

Naw. We knew there was no happy ending for our ship. The moment we saw where it was ultimately heading we knew. But the best part about this fandom is its filled with extremely creative people, so I think we can take this shit pile given to us and still make it work.

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Aug 9, 2017 2:20:07 GMT revanstar said:

Aug 9, 2017 1:50:31 GMT RosePup said:

You do know that would also play into the Targaryan Madness if you do play with that idea. Because they would know that Jon died and yet here he is walking around.

Not nessassarly.

So picture this. its the final battle, its absolute chaos, within and without the walls of Winterfell. People are falling left and right. In the confusion of snow, and death and dragonsfire, everyone looses track of Jon. Because Jon, like an idiot has gone after the Night King alone. - OR so he thinks.

He finds the Night King in the God's Wood. already locked in battle with Arya who has Oath Keeper in one hand, (For Brienne has already fallen in battle) and the Dragon Dagger in the other, who has placed herself between the Night King and Dany - who isnt doing great, perhaps a blow to the head (Because lets be honest, the Night King is gonna want the child in her womb)

Jon joins the fight. but because hes been distracted since the whole "You are a Targaryen, not a Stark" reveal. and possibly knowing that Dany is carrying his child the only reason why hes even doing well is because Arya is there to pick up his slack.
But the Night King cant be beat, even under the combind force of Arya and Jon and three VS blades. Just as hope seems loss, here comes the Drogon. In a desperate bid, Jon tackles the Night King, as Arya pulls the half concious Dany behind the God Tree, shouting "Dracarys". Jon and the Night King are caught in the blast of dragonfire, while both Dany and Arya are shielded by the God Tree.

When the flames die, and the god tree and most of the wood is not by ash and charr, we find nothing left of either the Night King, or Jon but for Long Claw which laid on bare baked earth. Targaryen he may have been, but the blood of the dragon wasnt as strong in him as the blood of the wolf.

Edit: Alternatively, when the flames die, we find Jon, badly injured, mortally so, but still alive, because 'blood of the dragon'. Arya rushes to his side, because damnit, he is still her brother, even if hes actually her cousin, it doesnt matter. Arya clenches one hand even as Dany reaches for his other. Gasping he begs, he pleads, and like Eddard to Lyanna, Arya promises, and swears upon her honor. (I actually like this idea better. I love paralles. )

Either way.....

With the death of the Night King, the rest of the White Walkers turn to ice and shatter, the battle, and war is won. The camera pans over the battle field, the allied forces cheering, as the sun breaks through the cloud cover.

Jon and Dany walk out of the ruined Gods Wood, out of Winterfell and into the court yard where the cheering forces go nuts to see both the King in the North, and the Targaryen Queen alive.

The tale that is told is that it was Arya who had tackled the Night King, forcing him back as she cried out the high valyrian command for Drogon to rain fire upon the God's Wood. It is she that sacrificed herself to end the Long Night. The She Wolf is raised a hero, the last hero, the prince who was promised, much to the confusion of those who had known the prophecy.

Some time later, much in fact, after Jon, now known as Jaehaerys Targaryen III (Because I'm not accepting that his name is Aegon), is married to his aunt Queen Daenerys I, and they are both crowned King and Queen, and shortly after Dany gives birth to a daughter. (because fuck it)

Where it goes from here, well...

There are a few ways it could go after that.

I would imagine that very few people would know the truth. That Jon died, and the person wearing his face is Arya. Sansa would likely know, I cant imagine that Arya would want her sister believing that she was the last of their parents children. And Tyrion of course,and Missandei for sure. rather Davos and Varys know I'm not sure. but I imagine so. Davos was Jon's Hand of the King after all. And unless he died in the final battle, I think he'd figure out the truth if he wasnt told.

And a secret of this magnatude would require help to keep.

Heres however where it gets heart breaking.

Arya would have to be Jon, would have to be Jon basically all the time. I'm sure there are places where yes, she could take off his face, and be Arya once more. I imagine that in order not to loose herself, Arya would often wear her own face out in the city, where she could blend in better, get lost in the sea of people, because here, the face of Arya Stark isnt known, even if her name is. But beyond that, she would have to be Jon nearly 24-7.
But being Jon comes with all sorts of heart break.

Imagine the first time Jon and Dany's child calls her 'Papa/Dada/daddy'

"Come on little pup, you can do it" Jon speaks softly from where he sat on the floor in his study. He had come here to retreat, to hide really, he hated court, and the southern lords and ladies who jossled for favor, speaking pretty lies and hiding sneers behind smiles. But Missandei had come to him with Visenya in her arms. the ashen haired babe howling and refusing to sleep. And with Daenerys stuck in court...

Jon had abandon his paperwork for play, folding his tall lean frame into a cross legged seated position on the floor after he had relieved Missandei of the howling pup. Now he worked on getting the girl to toddle to him on shaky chubby legs. She had started crawling months ago, and had taken to pulling herself up on tables, by the legs of her parents and other trusted members of their inner circle. So he knew it would be soon, so with arms outstretched he tried to coax the tiny princess into letting go of the low table she held onto, to take her first independent steps to where he sat a few feet away, ready to catch her should she look to be in danger of hurting herself.

"Come on Vissy, you can do it." He coaxed again, smiling when he saw the look of grim determination come over her chubby little face, steel gray eyes like his own hardening as she took her first step, then another, and another, until she was forced to let go of the table. She swayed for a moment on unstuddy legs, arms held outstretched to the side, slightly flailing for balance for a moment. Then, babbling happily, she took another step, arms this time reaching out forwards, towards him. Jon grin with each step.

"'Atta girl, come on pup, almost there." Three more steps and yes, there! Jon laughed as he scooped Visenya up into his arms, swinging her around as he stood, placing wet kisses on her face and blow raspberry against her cheeks as she laughed with delight. "Good job Vissy! You walked! Your Mama is going to be so impressed!"

"A'gin Da'da, a'gin!" Jon froze suddenly at the broken words of the little girl in his arms. Visenya had only been speaking a few words, here and there, some in common, others, in high valyrian, both him and Dany were careful to speak both around her after all. But this was the first time she had said that word. It was not a word that belonged to him. It belonged to the real Jon, the girl's real father. But if not him/her then who? It was a woman that was a man that would raise the girl, that sung her northern lullabys, and who stuck strong fingers between teething gums to be gnawed and drooled on. For a moment, Arya who wore the face of her heart brother and blood cousin wondered if this was how her own father felt, when Jon had called him such for the first time.

Shaking herself, Arya forced herself to smile with Jon's face, laughing once more as she spun Visenya around again, lifting her high into the air with strong steady arms, the girl, her daughter, his daughter. Because a woman must be a man, and a husband, and father and king. So Jon pushed Arya down, locked her into a cage deep within his mind. He was Jaehaerys Jon Targaryen, this was his daughter, he would tell himself this until not even A Man would know the lie.

Seriously, Arya, as Jon would raise her niece or nephew as if they were her own. She could never tell them the truth. That there real father had died before they had been born. That she had taken his face to unite north and south, to help westeros rebuild, to insure peace after so much war and death. That she, as Jon, married their mother, the Queen to prevent another dance of dragons, to protect the honor of their father, who had never wanted to sire a bastard, never wanted to leave a child questioning their parentage the way he himself had. They could never know the truth. She would live as Jon, and one day die as Jon.

Then theres Dany.
And thats a fuck ton of potential to tear your heart asunder right there. Arya would fall in love with Dany eventually. She'd get to see Dany. The mother, the woman. And not just Daenerys, the queen, the conqurer, the mother of dragons, breaker of chains. And Arya would fall in love with the warm, tender, passionate woman, and respect and admire the strong, fierce queen.

And Dany? Dany could go one of two ways. It really depends on why she slept with Jon in the first place.

If the boatsex happened because she actually had feelings(TM) for Jon, then she'd fall in love with the Jon who sings their daughter to sleep, who is kind, and treats her with respect, and is so so strong. She'd let herself believe the lie. And seeing 'Jon', when he drops the mask and is Arya once more would distress her. Because shes not in love with Arya, even though she is in love with Arya. And oh god, they have sex, because they'd be expected to at least 'do their duty' to try for more children, (even though Arya wouldnt be sure that the magic of the Faceless men is that complete, and even though Dany isnt sure she can have more children), and Arya has to be Jon when they have sex/make love, because maybe it is possible. And it would gut Arya every time Dany moaned Jon's name. (And break ours)

If Boatsex (TM) Happened because Dany and Jon were both lonely adults and lust happens (gag), then I think Dany would be able to see beyond the mask, she would see Arya. And it would be Arya she falls in love with. But they'd both still have to live a lie in public. Arya would still have to be Jon more often then not, even when they think they are alone. And I think that would break Dany's heart, to know that Arya was suffering under the mask she had to wear, under the oath she swore. All because Dany and Jon had had a short lived affair that had resulted in a child.

Either way, I think Arya would struggle, would suffer, and if Dany wasnt in love with Arya, if she couldnt see Arya. Arya would loose herself to the lie, and eventually, Arya, as a person would die, and only Jon, the lie would remain.

I think such a story would be even more gut wrenching then even Bloodlines. - And thats saying something.

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Post by lawlessness on Aug 9, 2017 11:55:45 GMT

Aug 9, 2017 4:00:46 GMT revanstar said:

Aug 9, 2017 2:20:07 GMT revanstar said:

Not nessassarly.

So picture this. its the final battle, its absolute chaos, within and without the walls of Winterfell. People are falling left and right. In the confusion of snow, and death and dragonsfire, everyone looses track of Jon. Because Jon, like an idiot has gone after the Night King alone. - OR so he thinks.

He finds the Night King in the God's Wood. already locked in battle with Arya who has Oath Keeper in one hand, (For Brienne has already fallen in battle) and the Dragon Dagger in the other, who has placed herself between the Night King and Dany - who isnt doing great, perhaps a blow to the head (Because lets be honest, the Night King is gonna want the child in her womb)

Jon joins the fight. but because hes been distracted since the whole "You are a Targaryen, not a Stark" reveal. and possibly knowing that Dany is carrying his child the only reason why hes even doing well is because Arya is there to pick up his slack.
But the Night King cant be beat, even under the combind force of Arya and Jon and three VS blades. Just as hope seems loss, here comes the Drogon. In a desperate bid, Jon tackles the Night King, as Arya pulls the half concious Dany behind the God Tree, shouting "Dracarys". Jon and the Night King are caught in the blast of dragonfire, while both Dany and Arya are shielded by the God Tree.

When the flames die, and the god tree and most of the wood is not by ash and charr, we find nothing left of either the Night King, or Jon but for Long Claw which laid on bare baked earth. Targaryen he may have been, but the blood of the dragon wasnt as strong in him as the blood of the wolf.

Edit: Alternatively, when the flames die, we find Jon, badly injured, mortally so, but still alive, because 'blood of the dragon'. Arya rushes to his side, because damnit, he is still her brother, even if hes actually her cousin, it doesnt matter. Arya clenches one hand even as Dany reaches for his other. Gasping he begs, he pleads, and like Eddard to Lyanna, Arya promises, and swears upon her honor. (I actually like this idea better. I love paralles. )

Either way.....

With the death of the Night King, the rest of the White Walkers turn to ice and shatter, the battle, and war is won. The camera pans over the battle field, the allied forces cheering, as the sun breaks through the cloud cover.

Jon and Dany walk out of the ruined Gods Wood, out of Winterfell and into the court yard where the cheering forces go nuts to see both the King in the North, and the Targaryen Queen alive.

The tale that is told is that it was Arya who had tackled the Night King, forcing him back as she cried out the high valyrian command for Drogon to rain fire upon the God's Wood. It is she that sacrificed herself to end the Long Night. The She Wolf is raised a hero, the last hero, the prince who was promised, much to the confusion of those who had known the prophecy.

Some time later, much in fact, after Jon, now known as Jaehaerys Targaryen III (Because I'm not accepting that his name is Aegon), is married to his aunt Queen Daenerys I, and they are both crowned King and Queen, and shortly after Dany gives birth to a daughter. (because fuck it)

Where it goes from here, well...

There are a few ways it could go after that.

I would imagine that very few people would know the truth. That Jon died, and the person wearing his face is Arya. Sansa would likely know, I cant imagine that Arya would want her sister believing that she was the last of their parents children. And Tyrion of course,and Missandei for sure. rather Davos and Varys know I'm not sure. but I imagine so. Davos was Jon's Hand of the King after all. And unless he died in the final battle, I think he'd figure out the truth if he wasnt told.

And a secret of this magnatude would require help to keep.

Heres however where it gets heart breaking.

Arya would have to be Jon, would have to be Jon basically all the time. I'm sure there are places where yes, she could take off his face, and be Arya once more. I imagine that in order not to loose herself, Arya would often wear her own face out in the city, where she could blend in better, get lost in the sea of people, because here, the face of Arya Stark isnt known, even if her name is. But beyond that, she would have to be Jon nearly 24-7.
But being Jon comes with all sorts of heart break.

Imagine the first time Jon and Dany's child calls her 'Papa/Dada/daddy'

"Come on little pup, you can do it" Jon speaks softly from where he sat on the floor in his study. He had come here to retreat, to hide really, he hated court, and the southern lords and ladies who jossled for favor, speaking pretty lies and hiding sneers behind smiles. But Missandei had come to him with Visenya in her arms. the ashen haired babe howling and refusing to sleep. And with Daenerys stuck in court...

Jon had abandon his paperwork for play, folding his tall lean frame into a cross legged seated position on the floor after he had relieved Missandei of the howling pup. Now he worked on getting the girl to toddle to him on shaky chubby legs. She had started crawling months ago, and had taken to pulling herself up on tables, by the legs of her parents and other trusted members of their inner circle. So he knew it would be soon, so with arms outstretched he tried to coax the tiny princess into letting go of the low table she held onto, to take her first independent steps to where he sat a few feet away, ready to catch her should she look to be in danger of hurting herself.

"Come on Vissy, you can do it." He coaxed again, smiling when he saw the look of grim determination come over her chubby little face, steel gray eyes like his own hardening as she took her first step, then another, and another, until she was forced to let go of the table. She swayed for a moment on unstuddy legs, arms held outstretched to the side, slightly flailing for balance for a moment. Then, babbling happily, she took another step, arms this time reaching out forwards, towards him. Jon grin with each step.

"'Atta girl, come on pup, almost there." Three more steps and yes, there! Jon laughed as he scooped Visenya up into his arms, swinging her around as he stood, placing wet kisses on her face and blow raspberry against her cheeks as she laughed with delight. "Good job Vissy! You walked! Your Mama is going to be so impressed!"

"A'gin Da'da, a'gin!" Jon froze suddenly at the broken words of the little girl in his arms. Visenya had only been speaking a few words, here and there, some in common, others, in high valyrian, both him and Dany were careful to speak both around her after all. But this was the first time she had said that word. It was not a word that belonged to him. It belonged to the real Jon, the girl's real father. But if not him/her then who? It was a woman that was a man that would raise the girl, that sung her northern lullabys, and who stuck strong fingers between teething gums to be gnawed and drooled on. For a moment, Arya who wore the face of her heart brother and blood cousin wondered if this was how her own father felt, when Jon had called him such for the first time.

Shaking herself, Arya forced herself to smile with Jon's face, laughing once more as she spun Visenya around again, lifting her high into the air with strong steady arms, the girl, her daughter, his daughter. Because a woman must be a man, and a husband, and father and king. So Jon pushed Arya down, locked her into a cage deep within his mind. He was Jaehaerys Jon Targaryen, this was his daughter, he would tell himself this until not even A Man would know the lie.

Seriously, Arya, as Jon would raise her niece or nephew as if they were her own. She could never tell them the truth. That there real father had died before they had been born. That she had taken his face to unite north and south, to help westeros rebuild, to insure peace after so much war and death. That she, as Jon, married their mother, the Queen to prevent another dance of dragons, to protect the honor of their father, who had never wanted to sire a bastard, never wanted to leave a child questioning their parentage the way he himself had. They could never know the truth. She would live as Jon, and one day die as Jon.

Then theres Dany.
And thats a fuck ton of potential to tear your heart asunder right there. Arya would fall in love with Dany eventually. She'd get to see Dany. The mother, the woman. And not just Daenerys, the queen, the conqurer, the mother of dragons, breaker of chains. And Arya would fall in love with the warm, tender, passionate woman, and respect and admire the strong, fierce queen.

And Dany? Dany could go one of two ways. It really depends on why she slept with Jon in the first place.

If the boatsex happened because she actually had feelings(TM) for Jon, then she'd fall in love with the Jon who sings their daughter to sleep, who is kind, and treats her with respect, and is so so strong. She'd let herself believe the lie. And seeing 'Jon', when he drops the mask and is Arya once more would distress her. Because shes not in love with Arya, even though she is in love with Arya. And oh god, they have sex, because they'd be expected to at least 'do their duty' to try for more children, (even though Arya wouldnt be sure that the magic of the Faceless men is that complete, and even though Dany isnt sure she can have more children), and Arya has to be Jon when they have sex/make love, because maybe it is possible. And it would gut Arya every time Dany moaned Jon's name. (And break ours)

If Boatsex (TM) Happened because Dany and Jon were both lonely adults and lust happens (gag), then I think Dany would be able to see beyond the mask, she would see Arya. And it would be Arya she falls in love with. But they'd both still have to live a lie in public. Arya would still have to be Jon more often then not, even when they think they are alone. And I think that would break Dany's heart, to know that Arya was suffering under the mask she had to wear, under the oath she swore. All because Dany and Jon had had a short lived affair that had resulted in a child.

Either way, I think Arya would struggle, would suffer, and if Dany wasnt in love with Arya, if she couldnt see Arya. Arya would loose herself to the lie, and eventually, Arya, as a person would die, and only Jon, the lie would remain.

I think such a story would be even more gut wrenching then even Bloodlines. - And thats saying something.

HAVE I BROKEN YOUR HEARTS YET

My goodness, I missed a hell of a lot in my slumber.

It is heartbreaking, but I would prefer this much more than the drivel that D&D are serving up on a platter, that dimwits consume voraciously. Here there is pathos, this is a character study that fits into the world GRRM created. I believe a Jon/Dany pairing is possible (because with GRRM one never knows) but certainly there would be much more like what, you yourself, have written here.

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Just a piece of Phanta's thought:
Though D&D and HBO keeps on shoving this Jonerys shit and possibly that farmboy trope (just want to put a "fuck the farmboy trope & fuck Jonerys" campaign right now) on the fandom's throats (which rabid Jon fangirls love so much, they even lust for this overhyped character bigtime) and to ours also which is very evident in their crap of a fanfiction, ruled by the very principles of an oppressive system of patriarchy, I still don't see Jon and Dany go intimate and romantic together. Yes they do boatsex and stuff according to spoilers/leaks, but I think that (not intending to sound vulgar and perverted) they will just do it for the sake of release; to get away maybe just for a short while from the shit westeros is in; fighting an army of the dead, ice and darkness wherein there's no assurance of winning such war against enchanted beings since they (the living) were still outnumbered despite having dragons, valyrian steel and dragonglass.

For fuck sake I don't see Dany falling in love with Jon. Not wanting to look like I'm promoting feminine superiority but c'mon Dany has been been played and betrayed by men especially noble blooded/high-born ones before she even get to where she is now:

1) She's maltreated, sold and manipulated by her asshole-of-brother that marrying Khal Drogo will be a great honor she can give to their family, that in a way she's helping that crazy bastard regain what were theirs; The Iron Throne, but Viserys is a self-centered asshole, he thinks that the Iron Throne was his all along since he believes that he's the heir but he is no dragon.

2) Since she liberated the people of pro-slavery citystates of Essos against their masters, noble men from those citystates plotted and preyed on her; whoever gets first to marry her will in turn strip her of her title and power as Queen and continue their pro-slavery agenda. They even used her gender, that a woman cannot secure her title and power as queen if she'll not marry any of those nobles.

3) In terms of betrayal, Dany had a fair share of it. Jorah betrayed her by aiding Robert Baratheon in killing her and her stillborn child to Khal Drogo thru' assassination plot.

Now if I'm being asked if it is a good idea that our beloved Mother of Dragons will fall for Jon fuckin' Snow. Not a good idea. Dany is smarter than that. She's been messed and fucked up by men in her past that giving her heart to one would be a hard time for her, I mean c'mon she had trust issues and is very sensitive in terms of betrayal of trust. She'll have men fall for her but will never fall that easy to anyone of them. What she's been thru makes her a very hard nut to crack and a very hard steel to bend.

She's all business at this point in time she's got a Throne and Crown to regain and on the latter parts, an army of the dead to defeat. But since fuckin' HBO and D&D wants to make Dany go lovey-dovey with good 'ol Jon fuckin' Snow, on their sorry-assed fanfiction, I feel that they sideline Dany in order to keep Jon in the spotlight, they just ruined her character that she is in the books; the very character that she's been built upon; a non-archetype woman, who'll break the boundaries of what a woman can do and the roles that the world and society is forcing to women, for the sake of building up Jon's character; giving him all the things that shine and making him all hail and glory King Jon. Patriarchy shows up its ugly head once again. Its oppressive principles makes its presence evident on this fanfiction of a tv series.

These leaks for latter episodes of S7 and also S8 whether legit or not would be a devastating blow on our ship, but still I refuse to bow down to it as long as there is a big thing called fanfiction written by more talented writers which will put HBO and D&D's sorry-assed fanfic to shame.
May the old gods and the new bless the fanfic writers of our house you're the ones that brought me and other members in this little but thriving house.

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More Leaks Than A... Aug 9, 2017 15:05:42 GMT

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Well.. bloody hell.
Did not expect to discover all of this with my morning coffee

Edit: Alternatively, when the flames die, we find Jon, badly injured, mortally so, but still alive, because 'blood of the dragon'. Arya rushes to his side, because damnit, he is still her brother, even if hes actually her cousin, it doesnt matter. Arya clenches one hand even as Dany reaches for his other. Gasping he begs, he pleads, and like Eddard to Lyanna, Arya promises, and swears upon her honor. (I actually like this idea better. I love paralles. )

This here is both heartbreaking - and utterly brilliant.
We love parallels, but so does GRRM. And because of that, not only does it tug at the heartstrings.. it does it in a way that actually feels authentic.

Some time later, much in fact, after Jon, now known as Jaehaerys Targaryen III (Because I'm not accepting that his name is Aegon),

And I won't either. Because.. for fuck's sake >_< the least they could have done was gone with Jaehaerys Targaryen for the name. I know they decided to conveniently cut out massive chunks of plot, but damn. Strange as it may be, there are actually readers who like the Mummer's Dragon character. I don't; but I can relate to others who feel like someone has taken a steaming dump on their piece of fandom. This really just adds insult to injury for anyone who loved the books.

Heres however where it gets heart breaking.

-looks around desperately for those stealth ninjas who may decide to start chopping onions in the vicinity- ..you never know with those sneaky bastards...

Now he worked on getting the girl to toddle to him on shaky chubby legs. She had started crawling months ago, and had taken to pulling herself up on tables, by the legs of her parents and other trusted members of their inner circle.

Oh snap.. Revan's gonna kick us all in the gut here with this one, isn't she?

"Come on Vissy, you can do it." He coaxed again, smiling when he saw the look of grim determination come over her chubby little face, steel gray eyes like his own hardening as she took her first step, then another, and another, until she was forced to let go of the table.

Yes, yes Revan is gonna do it. -braces self- and of course s/he would call her 'pup'.. because that's exactly what both Jon and Arya would call a lil rugrat..

-hears a faint 'CHOP!' somewhere in the shadows-

"A'gin Da'da, a'gin!" Jon froze suddenly at the broken words of the little girl in his arms.

CHOP. CHOP. CHOP.

For a moment, Arya who wore the face of her heart brother and blood cousin wondered if this was how her own father felt, when Jon had called him such for the first time.

FUCK YOU, NINJAS!! ALL OF YOU DIE IN A FIRE!!

Seriously, Arya, as Jon would raise her niece or nephew as if they were her own. She could never tell them the truth. That there real father had died before they had been born. That she had taken his face to unite north and south, to help westeros rebuild, to insure peace after so much war and death. That she, as Jon, married their mother, the Queen to prevent another dance of dragons, to protect the honor of their father, who had never wanted to sire a bastard, never wanted to leave a child questioning their parentage the way he himself had.

And yes, she would. Because despite how HBO likes to gloss over anything that has, ya know, depth... Arya very much has the honor of Ned tucked away within her murderous frame. And she was truly bonded with Jon, even comfortable with the idea of being a bastard like him since her young mind once thought that must be why they looked different from the other children.

The last part of Bloodlines I had intended to write, back in the day, was going to be very focused on Arya and Jon and their own parallels.

-Outsiders in their appearance - see above
-They were both overshadowed by exceptional, traditional elder siblings: Robb and Sansa
-They both join unsavory organizations after leaving home: Night's Watch and House of Black and White
-Both degraded, and forced to 'serve': Jon as steward, Arya as temple-scrubbin', body-washin' No One
-Both take oaths to forsake their place in the world, and their futures: Night's Watch Oath, No One's Daughter, No One's Wife, No One's Mother
-They both circumvent their vows for each other: Jon tries to rescue 'Arya' from Winterfell, Arya tries to get Dareon to take her to Eastwatch
-Both are betrayed by their organizations for their mercy: Jon's stabbing by the Watch, Arya's stabbing by the Waif (resulting in even some similar frickin' SCARS to boot)

and there's more, but coffee hasn't really kicked in yet. Basically, there's a lot. And most people don't even really notice. I'm sure HBO has zero intention of using any of this groundwork for anything, but maybe if GRRM had not quit writing we would have seen something interesting with it. Or not.

Then theres Dany.
And thats a fuck ton of potential to tear your heart asunder right there. Arya would fall in love with Dany eventually.

Yup. And the Onion Ninjas will always lay in wait for that...

Setting even my very biased shipper heart aside, I think there's a lot of shit in play when D-Day occurs. Dany's a bit of a mess. She's just learned that fairytale monsters are real, and their leader has killed one of her children. She still has not secured the Iron Throne, and is wondering if anyone will even live to see it. She's lost allies and forces - and unlike most rulers, she cares about her troops. She cut chains off of some of them personally.

Safe to say she's sort of jacked up.

And being that she is a pragmatic woman, rooted in reality enough to mercy kill her moon and stars, I don't think she would allow herself to remain emotionally invested in a business arrangement/illusion. She just can't lie to herself the way some people can.

So I think -

If Boatsex (TM) Happened because Dany and Jon were both lonely adults and lust happens (gag), then I think Dany would be able to see beyond the mask, she would see Arya. And it would be Arya she falls in love with.

This. If she doesn't completely distance herself when not in public and just take on another unwashed sellsword paramore >_<

Either way, I think Arya would struggle, would suffer,

This is assured either way.

Now I'm gonna sniffle into the last of my coffee, before even DARING to read that new fic Revan has posted.

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Aug 9, 2017 15:05:42 GMT @starky said:

Well.. bloody hell.
Did not expect to discover all of this with my morning coffee

Edit: Alternatively, when the flames die, we find Jon, badly injured, mortally so, but still alive, because 'blood of the dragon'. Arya rushes to his side, because damnit, he is still her brother, even if hes actually her cousin, it doesnt matter. Arya clenches one hand even as Dany reaches for his other. Gasping he begs, he pleads, and like Eddard to Lyanna, Arya promises, and swears upon her honor. (I actually like this idea better. I love paralles. )

This here is both heartbreaking - and utterly brilliant.
We love parallels, but so does GRRM. And because of that, not only does it tug at the heartstrings.. it does it in a way that actually feels authentic.

Some time later, much in fact, after Jon, now known as Jaehaerys Targaryen III (Because I'm not accepting that his name is Aegon),

And I won't either. Because.. for fuck's sake >_< the least they could have done was gone with Jaehaerys Targaryen for the name. I know they decided to conveniently cut out massive chunks of plot, but damn. Strange as it may be, there are actually readers who like the Mummer's Dragon character. I don't; but I can relate to others who feel like someone has taken a steaming dump on their piece of fandom. This really just adds insult to injury for anyone who loved the books.

Heres however where it gets heart breaking.

-looks around desperately for those stealth ninjas who may decide to start chopping onions in the vicinity- ..you never know with those sneaky bastards...

Now he worked on getting the girl to toddle to him on shaky chubby legs. She had started crawling months ago, and had taken to pulling herself up on tables, by the legs of her parents and other trusted members of their inner circle.

Oh snap.. Revan's gonna kick us all in the gut here with this one, isn't she?

"Come on Vissy, you can do it." He coaxed again, smiling when he saw the look of grim determination come over her chubby little face, steel gray eyes like his own hardening as she took her first step, then another, and another, until she was forced to let go of the table.

Yes, yes Revan is gonna do it. -braces self- and of course s/he would call her 'pup'.. because that's exactly what both Jon and Arya would call a lil rugrat..

-hears a faint 'CHOP!' somewhere in the shadows-

"A'gin Da'da, a'gin!" Jon froze suddenly at the broken words of the little girl in his arms.

CHOP. CHOP. CHOP.

For a moment, Arya who wore the face of her heart brother and blood cousin wondered if this was how her own father felt, when Jon had called him such for the first time.

FUCK YOU, NINJAS!! ALL OF YOU DIE IN A FIRE!!

Seriously, Arya, as Jon would raise her niece or nephew as if they were her own. She could never tell them the truth. That there real father had died before they had been born. That she had taken his face to unite north and south, to help westeros rebuild, to insure peace after so much war and death. That she, as Jon, married their mother, the Queen to prevent another dance of dragons, to protect the honor of their father, who had never wanted to sire a bastard, never wanted to leave a child questioning their parentage the way he himself had.

And yes, she would. Because despite how HBO likes to gloss over anything that has, ya know, depth... Arya very much has the honor of Ned tucked away within her murderous frame. And she was truly bonded with Jon, even comfortable with the idea of being a bastard like him since her young mind once thought that must be why they looked different from the other children.

The last part of Bloodlines I had intended to write, back in the day, was going to be very focused on Arya and Jon and their own parallels.

-Outsiders in their appearance - see above
-They were both overshadowed by exceptional, traditional elder siblings: Robb and Sansa
-They both join unsavory organizations after leaving home: Night's Watch and House of Black and White
-Both degraded, and forced to 'serve': Jon as steward, Arya as temple-scrubbin', body-washin' No One
-Both take oaths to forsake their place in the world, and their futures: Night's Watch Oath, No One's Daughter, No One's Wife, No One's Mother
-They both circumvent their vows for each other: Jon tries to rescue 'Arya' from Winterfell, Arya tries to get Dareon to take her to Eastwatch
-Both are betrayed by their organizations for their mercy: Jon's stabbing by the Watch, Arya's stabbing by the Waif (resulting in even some similar frickin' SCARS to boot)

and there's more, but coffee hasn't really kicked in yet. Basically, there's a lot. And most people don't even really notice. I'm sure HBO has zero intention of using any of this groundwork for anything, but maybe if GRRM had not quit writing we would have seen something interesting with it. Or not.

Then theres Dany.
And thats a fuck ton of potential to tear your heart asunder right there. Arya would fall in love with Dany eventually.

Yup. And the Onion Ninjas will always lay in wait for that...

Setting even my very biased shipper heart aside, I think there's a lot of shit in play when D-Day occurs. Dany's a bit of a mess. She's just learned that fairytale monsters are real, and their leader has killed one of her children. She still has not secured the Iron Throne, and is wondering if anyone will even live to see it. She's lost allies and forces - and unlike most rulers, she cares about her troops. She cut chains off of some of them personally.

Safe to say she's sort of jacked up.

And being that she is a pragmatic woman, rooted in reality enough to mercy kill her moon and stars, I don't think she would allow herself to remain emotionally invested in a business arrangement/illusion. She just can't lie to herself the way some people can.

So I think -

If Boatsex (TM) Happened because Dany and Jon were both lonely adults and lust happens (gag), then I think Dany would be able to see beyond the mask, she would see Arya. And it would be Arya she falls in love with.

This. If she doesn't completely distance herself when not in public and just take on another unwashed sellsword paramore >_<

Either way, I think Arya would struggle, would suffer,

This is assured either way.

Now I'm gonna sniffle into the last of my coffee, before even DARING to read that new fic Revan has posted.

I was a busy little bee last night and if ninjas are chopping onions you have only yourself to blame as you are the one that posted about the leaks in the first place.

And I'm pretty sure I save all my aguest for the house. Simply to kick you in the feels first thing I'm the morning.

I'll write a better reply later. Im stuck on my phone for the day.

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Aug 9, 2017 11:55:45 GMT lawlessness said:

Aug 9, 2017 4:00:46 GMT revanstar said:

There are a few ways it could go after that.

I would imagine that very few people would know the truth. That Jon died, and the person wearing his face is Arya. Sansa would likely know, I cant imagine that Arya would want her sister believing that she was the last of their parents children. And Tyrion of course,and Missandei for sure. rather Davos and Varys know I'm not sure. but I imagine so. Davos was Jon's Hand of the King after all. And unless he died in the final battle, I think he'd figure out the truth if he wasnt told.

And a secret of this magnatude would require help to keep.

Heres however where it gets heart breaking.

Arya would have to be Jon, would have to be Jon basically all the time. I'm sure there are places where yes, she could take off his face, and be Arya once more. I imagine that in order not to loose herself, Arya would often wear her own face out in the city, where she could blend in better, get lost in the sea of people, because here, the face of Arya Stark isnt known, even if her name is. But beyond that, she would have to be Jon nearly 24-7.
But being Jon comes with all sorts of heart break.

Imagine the first time Jon and Dany's child calls her 'Papa/Dada/daddy'

Seriously, Arya, as Jon would raise her niece or nephew as if they were her own. She could never tell them the truth. That there real father had died before they had been born. That she had taken his face to unite north and south, to help westeros rebuild, to insure peace after so much war and death. That she, as Jon, married their mother, the Queen to prevent another dance of dragons, to protect the honor of their father, who had never wanted to sire a bastard, never wanted to leave a child questioning their parentage the way he himself had. They could never know the truth. She would live as Jon, and one day die as Jon.

Then theres Dany.
And thats a fuck ton of potential to tear your heart asunder right there. Arya would fall in love with Dany eventually. She'd get to see Dany. The mother, the woman. And not just Daenerys, the queen, the conqurer, the mother of dragons, breaker of chains. And Arya would fall in love with the warm, tender, passionate woman, and respect and admire the strong, fierce queen.

And Dany? Dany could go one of two ways. It really depends on why she slept with Jon in the first place.

If the boatsex happened because she actually had feelings(TM) for Jon, then she'd fall in love with the Jon who sings their daughter to sleep, who is kind, and treats her with respect, and is so so strong. She'd let herself believe the lie. And seeing 'Jon', when he drops the mask and is Arya once more would distress her. Because shes not in love with Arya, even though she is in love with Arya. And oh god, they have sex, because they'd be expected to at least 'do their duty' to try for more children, (even though Arya wouldnt be sure that the magic of the Faceless men is that complete, and even though Dany isnt sure she can have more children), and Arya has to be Jon when they have sex/make love, because maybe it is possible. And it would gut Arya every time Dany moaned Jon's name. (And break ours)

If Boatsex (TM) Happened because Dany and Jon were both lonely adults and lust happens (gag), then I think Dany would be able to see beyond the mask, she would see Arya. And it would be Arya she falls in love with. But they'd both still have to live a lie in public. Arya would still have to be Jon more often then not, even when they think they are alone. And I think that would break Dany's heart, to know that Arya was suffering under the mask she had to wear, under the oath she swore. All because Dany and Jon had had a short lived affair that had resulted in a child.

Either way, I think Arya would struggle, would suffer, and if Dany wasnt in love with Arya, if she couldnt see Arya. Arya would loose herself to the lie, and eventually, Arya, as a person would die, and only Jon, the lie would remain.

I think such a story would be even more gut wrenching then even Bloodlines. - And thats saying something.

HAVE I BROKEN YOUR HEARTS YET

My goodness, I missed a hell of a lot in my slumber.

It is heartbreaking, but I would prefer this much more than the drivel that D&D are serving up on a platter, that dimwits consume voraciously. Here there is pathos, this is a character study that fits into the world GRRM created. I believe a Jon/Dany pairing is possible (because with GRRM one never knows) but certainly there would be much more like what, you yourself, have written here.

If nothing else all my hours spent on wikis and reading/watching fan theories gives me a firm grasp of the characters. So when I come up with this stuff, while heartbreaking reads more true then anything we've seen on the show in many a season

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Aug 9, 2017 14:52:29 GMT @phantasmusprodigium said:

May the old gods and the new bless the fanfic writers of our house you're the ones that brought me and other members in this little but thriving house.

If i had unlimited time and money I'd be writing all the possible plot bunnies I have dancing in my head to fix this shit stain cock HBO keeps trying to feed us.

But snice I dont. I'll do what I can to keep our little house thriving

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Aug 9, 2017 15:41:16 GMT revanstar said:

Aug 9, 2017 14:52:29 GMT @phantasmusprodigium said:

May the old gods and the new bless the fanfic writers of our house you're the ones that brought me and other members in this little but thriving house.

If i had unlimited time and money I'd be writing all the possible plot bunnies I have dancing in my head to fix this shit stain cock HBO keeps trying to feed us.

But snice I dont. I'll do what I can to keep our little house thriving

Yep. For our little house indeed.

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Aug 8, 2017 17:24:34 GMT @starky said:

***sidenote: prplmunky was actually headed in the right direction for all of this in WtSRitE. Except her version is better, for obvious reasons...

S'truth, I have my outline documents finished if anyone wants spoilers, I can even post the thing under a Massive spoiler tag on House Danarya, since Clearly I write about as slowly as GRRM...

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Aug 8, 2017 19:13:45 GMT revanstar said:

And I figured it out why they are saying Jon's birth name is Aegon. Since they fucking cut the Mummer Dragon story line, they've just stole the fucking name. Which makes Jon fucking Aegon VII.

Wait, then who the hell did the Mountain kill besides Elia that made Oberyn so pissed? Did they not even Mention that part just "Elia's child" and moving on now?

It's been far too long and I don't think I even care enough to rewatch that season...

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Aug 9, 2017 1:50:31 GMT RosePup said:

Aug 9, 2017 1:48:13 GMT revanstar said:

Still wanna expand upon it. There's a few ways it could go.

You do know that would also play into the Targaryan Madness if you do play with that idea. Because they would know that Jon died and yet here he is walking around.

Wait, didn't Starky write this fic in BtL with Aegon?

And if Jon=Aegon...

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Aug 9, 2017 19:21:17 GMT prplmunky said:

Aug 8, 2017 17:24:34 GMT @starky said:

***sidenote: prplmunky was actually headed in the right direction for all of this in WtSRitE. Except her version is better, for obvious reasons...

S'truth, I have my outline documents finished if anyone wants spoilers, I can even post the thing under a Massive spoiler tag on House Danarya, since Clearly I write about as slowly as GRRM...

Im pretty sure I hold the current record for longest chapter written in the shortest time.

Also it did take me 2 years between ch3 and ch4. So I don't think you're as bad as GRRM

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Aug 9, 2017 19:26:41 GMT prplmunky said:

Aug 8, 2017 19:13:45 GMT revanstar said:

And I figured it out why they are saying Jon's birth name is Aegon. Since they fucking cut the Mummer Dragon story line, they've just stole the fucking name. Which makes Jon fucking Aegon VII.

Wait, then who the hell did the Mountain kill besides Elia that made Oberyn so pissed? Did they not even Mention that part just "Elia's child" and moving on now?

It's been far too long and I don't think I even care enough to rewatch that season...

Im.... not sure. I thought they did mention the names of both children. But as you said it's been a long time.

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Aug 9, 2017 15:05:42 GMT @starky said:

This here is both heartbreaking - and utterly brilliant.
We love parallels, but so does GRRM. And because of that, not only does it tug at the heartstrings.. it does it in a way that actually feels authentic.

You know I love parallels and drawing connections. I honestly love this path better for that fact.

And I won't either. Because.. for fuck's sake >_< the least they could have done was gone with Jaehaerys Targaryen for the name. I know they decided to conveniently cut out massive chunks of plot, but damn. Strange as it may be, there are actually readers who like the Mummer's Dragon character. I don't; but I can relate to others who feel like someone has taken a steaming dump on their piece of fandom. This really just adds insult to injury for anyone who loved the books.

Theres also the fact I cant imagine Lyanna naming her son, the same name as his recently dead older half brother. Like that would be six levels of wtf. I'd go with Jaehaerys at best, because there was only two of those that I can think of. and neither were bad kings. Or, Aemon at worse, because Rheager was in contact with his great (Grand?) uncle. and likely spoke highly of him

-looks around desperately for those stealth ninjas who may decide to start chopping onions in the vicinity- ..you never know with those sneaky bastards...

Oh snap.. Revan's gonna kick us all in the gut here with this one, isn't she?

Yes, yes Revan is gonna do it. -braces self- and of course s/he would call her 'pup'.. because that's exactly what both Jon and Arya would call a lil rugrat..

-hears a faint 'CHOP!' somewhere in the shadows-

"A'gin Da'da, a'gin!" Jon froze suddenly at the broken words of the little girl in his arms.

CHOP. CHOP. CHOP.

For a moment, Arya who wore the face of her heart brother and blood cousin wondered if this was how her own father felt, when Jon had called him such for the first time.

FUCK YOU,

NINJAS!! ALL OF YOU DIE IN A FIRE!!

I HAVE NO REGRETS. NONE. YOU SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED THIS. YOU READ THE WITCHER 3 CROSS OVER YOU KNOW I CAN HIT RIGHT IN THE FEELS.

And yes, she would. Because despite how HBO likes to gloss over anything that has, ya know, depth... Arya very much has the honor of Ned tucked away within her murderous frame. And she was truly bonded with Jon, even comfortable with the idea of being a bastard like him since her young mind once thought that must be why they looked different from the other children.

The last part of Bloodlines I had intended to write, back in the day, was going to be very focused on Arya and Jon and their own parallels.

-Outsiders in their appearance - see above
-They were both overshadowed by exceptional, traditional elder siblings: Robb and Sansa
-They both join unsavory organizations after leaving home: Night's Watch and House of Black and White
-Both degraded, and forced to 'serve': Jon as steward, Arya as temple-scrubbin', body-washin' No One
-Both take oaths to forsake their place in the world, and their futures: Night's Watch Oath, No One's Daughter, No One's Wife, No One's Mother
-They both circumvent their vows for each other: Jon tries to rescue 'Arya' from Winterfell, Arya tries to get Dareon to take her to Eastwatch
-Both are betrayed by their organizations for their mercy: Jon's stabbing by the Watch, Arya's stabbing by the Waif (resulting in even some similar frickin' SCARS to boot)

and there's more, but coffee hasn't really kicked in yet. Basically, there's a lot. And most people don't even really notice. I'm sure HBO has zero intention of using any of this groundwork for anything, but maybe if GRRM had not quit writing we would have seen something interesting with it. Or not.

Arya has many parallels with both Jon, and Dany.

And while HBO wont make use of anything with depth. and GRRM will likely never finish the last two books. I WILL USE ALL THE THINGS

Yup. And the Onion Ninjas will always lay in wait for that...

Setting even my very biased shipper heart aside, I think there's a lot of shit in play when D-Day occurs. Dany's a bit of a mess. She's just learned that fairytale monsters are real, and their leader has killed one of her children. She still has not secured the Iron Throne, and is wondering if anyone will even live to see it. She's lost allies and forces - and unlike most rulers, she cares about her troops. She cut chains off of some of them personally.

Safe to say she's sort of jacked up.

And being that she is a pragmatic woman, rooted in reality enough to mercy kill her moon and stars, I don't think she would allow herself to remain emotionally invested in a business arrangement/illusion. She just can't lie to herself the way some people can.

Dont forget that Dany would be so sick of selling her body for peace. It never worked in the past, it wouldnt work now.

So I think -

If Boatsex (TM) Happened because Dany and Jon were both lonely adults and lust happens (gag), then I think Dany would be able to see beyond the mask, she would see Arya. And it would be Arya she falls in love with.

This. If she doesn't completely distance herself when not in public and just take on another unwashed sellsword paramore >_<

I dont think she would at this point in her life. She has a child, she has a 'husband'. And another Darrio would wish to kill the child, and claim Dany for himself, put his own child in her belly to become the next king or queen, because sell swords are selfish bastards.
Instead, I think Dany would actually be content with the lie for a time, focused as she would be on both this tiny little human she had given birth too, and being the best queen ever. But eventually, Arya would catch her eye, she would see her, and notice her, and suddenly the lie wouldnt be enough, and her family wouldnt feel whole.

This is assured either way.

Yes, it is assured. But the loss of Self Arya would suffer is not. And she would loose herself to the face she wears. And in the end, it would be as if Arya had truely died in the Gods Wood that fateful day, instead of Jon. Because Arya would be no more, all that would be left would be Jon.

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